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There is a font that we are using for all of a clients communications. It is a very thin hairline, so has been used with a fine stroke added to increase thickness.

I now want to recreate this font with the increased thickness so others can use it without needing to add the stroke. Is there any easy way to adjust the font in FL5?

Thanks for your help.

hi. i hope this is no best kept secret:
i was wondering about your workflow. like how to do start when designing a new digital font. draw it by hand, which sizes, which pens, digitize it or build it from scratch in illustrator, fontlab, fontographer, how you test the single letters for use in words and so on ... i just started my first sketches on my first font i like to digitize and i still have no a idea what would be an productive workflow for doing so. everyone gotta learn but i dont wanna go through all possible bugs, gaps and errors everyone else has gone trough before. if this is a well kept secret i'll fully understand it and would take some book sugestions instead :-) thanks in advance, lars

(1) Is it allowed to include LOOKUPs into another lookup?
(2) Is it allowed that a FEATURE contains another feature?
(3) What about multiple substitutions, like sub glyph.1.a' glyph.2.a' by glyph.1.b glyph.2.b? Is this forbidden in OT syntax as such or is this kind of substitution simply not implemented in user apps to-date?

( P.S. Sorry for these obvious questions, but the How-To Wiki here is not really helpful as regards useable info on syntax rules &c. The Adobe website pages to which it refers are a mess to navigate and I can find no printable document for the OpenType specs and syntax. If some pdf is available with this kind of (exhaustive!) documentation, please refer me to the link.)

I have a very basic typeface built in FontLab Studio that I've been having trouble with. (Based on a simple grid, composed of simple four node dots)

I've exported and tested plenty of OpenType fonts with much success, yet this particular font/file seems corrupted.

I've tried everything, from cutting and pasting into a new .vfb file.

Going over all the OpenType features, classes, kerning, metrics, font audit, ligatures, etc…

I've deleted all the kerning info, class info, and OpenType features just to see if the problem would be on that end of things and generated it still without success.

I've gone through the font naming, dimensions, encoding and unicode, and etc…

The Output panel reports NO errors.

I've even sent it through the Fontlab tech support only to have the suggestions not render it a success.

It is a 2000 UPM font, but I've generated plenty that have worked exceptionally, I even changed it to 1000 just to try it at that UPM with no success.

THE ONLY THING THAT HAS WORKED which has allowed me to generate a working .otf font file is to delete about a third of the glyphs in my .vfb file which incidentally deletes the alternate characters and extended ligatures as well as numerous other standard characters.

At this point I'm completely baffled.

There's nothing in FontLab Studio that I can see or do that indicates a problem so I'm at a point that logically I don't know what else to do our how to continue troubleshooting.

The message reported when importing into FontExplorer X and Fontbook is as follows.

"A problem has been detected with the font Output S Regular, in the font file /Documents/Reserves/09-Output/Output S-Regular.otf. The system will attempt to disable this font, but to avoid future problems, you should quit all of your open applications and remove this font file or replace it with a new version."

I would love to have someone like Adam T. take a look at the files even if it's just to get closer to what this problem could be as not having an answer is really bothering me.

I'm almost at the point of just abandoning this particular font altogether and moving along but I'm really curious what this could be… trouble shooting is usually a simple, and pretty painless process but this has been out of control.

Anyone have any suggestions?



The encoding of characters for Mac and PCs are differents and they have not the same number characters

So, what is the correct way to work when you are designing a font?

Do you make two differents .FOG for each platform?
Or do you use the same .FOG and then you change the encoding when the font is generated?

I am in a mess...

I'm currently working on a font and I've found an issue which baffles me, shown here: As you can see there are these out of place lines over the "u" and "y" glyphs, and they're not the only affected glyphs. The issue crops up in Photoshop when the font is displayed at small sizes or has anti-aliasing off. What's weird is that the lines don't actually exist on the vectors, FontLab renders them appropriately and there's nothing suspect on the offending glyphs which sets them appart from the others that render properly.

Help would be much appreciated.



I have just generated a Family with 12 weights:

All Fonts do have the same characterset, glyphorder, Unicode rages, Codepages. MS FontValidator and Adobe CompareFamily don't show any problems.

Any idea why some fonts show a correct icon and others don't?


I'm working on a typeface at the moment that uses plenty of ligatures (in the style of Ed Interlock) and I'm wondering if there's any way to make certain ligatures be dominant over others? For example, for SHI I have an SH ligature and a HI ligature, and because SH comes first as you're typing, it turns into the ligature and the I is left alone. Without having to make an SHI ligature, can I make the HI ligature dominant over SH in the case of SHI?

And pardon me if that makes no sense at all. I'm just curious if I can make certain ligatures bow down to more dominant ones.. If there's any code or such.

Also, while I'm here and asking, can you include spacebar in ligature replacements? Say, for example, you have an S and when it's at the end of a word (marked by a spacebar following the S) you want it to do a swashy thing, is that possibe? like a "sub S [SPACE] by" thing..?



I'm trying to use Anchor Attachments to position marks to base glyphs for an Indic font I'm creating with FontLab+VOLT.

The positioning of the mark works well and VOLT does provide a really nice interface to tune this perfectly well.

However, when I run the feature through the Proofing Tool, there is a space after the base, presumably by the mark that is now attached to the base.

I've tried this with 'Below-Base Mark Positioning' and 'Mark Positioning' features - the result is thesame.

The attached screen shot may help illustrate the problem.

Appreciate any help or pointer.


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I've made some updates to Impallari's Font Testing Page.

Mainly changed the header style, labels on/off, color chooser.

I'm not quite done but you can fork my version here: (it's the theme-chooser branch) and run it in localhost with "cd" to the folder and then "php -S localhost:8000" in terminal.

I'm afraid I need to rewrite a lot of the styling to make it perfect (currently grey + dark background doesn't look good when saved as pdf) but let me know what you think and it me with other ideas/suggestions.

Yo... is there any way to conver type one and true type fonts to the open type format?

and chill...


I'm new to font-making, and I've been pulling my hair out trying to get some OpenType features working for a Cyrillic font I'm putting together. Superscript variants and ligatures *are* supposed to work in Word 2003, right? (I did try InDesign too, also with no luck.)

My font needs superscript glyphs that look somewhat different than just a raised standard glyph. If it makes a difference, the superscript glyphs have dimensions such that they should show up above the previous character.

In addition, the superscript glyphs take on a different appearance if combined with Uni0483 (combining titlo); they should still appear above the previous character.

I've read everything I can on OpenType superscripts and looked at all the fonts I have for clues, but I wasn't able to find much in terms of examples. All I know is that typing any of the relevant characters in superscript doesn't yield the superscript variants, and none of the ligatures appear when the correct combinations are typed.

Here's what I did for the OpenType code:

feature sups { # Superscript
script cyri;
sub [uni0434 uni043C uni0440 uni0441] by [uni0434.sups uni043C.sups uni0440.sups uni0441.sups];
} sups;

and also

feature liga { # Standard Ligatures
script cyri;
sub uni0434 uni0483 by uni0434_uni0483.sups;
sub uni043C uni0483 by uni043c_uni0483.sups;
sub uni0440 uni0483 by uni0440_uni0483.sups;
sub uni0441 uni0483 by uni0441_uni0483.sups;
} liga;

Any help at all would be wonderful.

Thanks a lot!


I designed a bitmap font and exported it to TTF using Font Creator. Final tests (Photoshop/Flash) were run, everything seemed ok, until I performed some tests on a Mac. Well.. there are unexpected tracking issues in Flash, ie. some characters overlapping. Should I prepare my fonts differently for the OSX? Is there somewhere I could read some more about PC/Mac differences in this area?

Can anyone tell help me with questions regarding to making font for fiscal cash register?

What final file format is used for FCR (fiscal cash registers)? TTF/OTF or some others (I found CFN and PWS formats also).

THANKS for any kind of help!

This is what the character å from one of my fonts looks like in Fontlab. I don’t see any problems.

This is what it looks like in Indesign unless I zoom to 1200%. Worse, this is also how it prints on Postscript laser printers.

Any ideas?

I'm having a problem with the modifiers that one can apply to characters within Generate Glyhps. They all seem to work except for the one I really need - the '~" symbol. (^<>| all work). Has anyone noticed this? Am I crazy? I even pasted the exact string of text from the PDF (page 522) and it didn't work. This is OSX 10.4.9 and FLS5 5.0.2


I recently received a request for customization of an existing font by adding a logotype to the font. The end user is French and uses the AZERTY keyboard layout.

I checked with the user about placing the logo in the mu slot, and he said that would work for him. My question is, will placing the logo in the mu position in a 1252 codepage set-up achieve the results I am after, or does the mu character need to be placed elsewhere?

Hi everyone.
I've built a font and it all works fine in illustrator, but annoyingly the hyphen doesn't show up in flash and linotype explorer. It was mapped to the wrong character code, I have fixed that but it still doesn't show up.

Anyone experienced this before? any pointers...I'm at the end of my tether!

Many thanks in advance.



Might as well say Hi, as I just registered. I have only been reading here previously. My Name is Gustaf, currently Studying my last year on a BA Graphic Design course in the Uk.

To my question;

I am producing an Opentype typeface as a part of a University Project using FontLab 5 for Win. As I have come to set kerning for it, iv run into some trouble. From some reading, as I understand it, class based kerning is the better alternative and then complimenting with pairs for those which does not fit in a class with any other. I created a few classes manually with a few glyphs each. I understand that it should be done via the OpenType window but not sure how.

feature xxxx { sub by ; } xxxx;

Get how to add that, and that the feature should be kern, but not how to set the actual kerning between the different classes. Is the a full list of the Opentype feature tags with how they are used anywhere? How do I set the opentype kerning of single pairs as a compliment to the classes?

Thanks in advance.

// Gustaf

As far as I know type 3 fonts have till now been supported by unix based operating systems only. Since Mac OS X is one, does anyone know if type 3 has been implemented in Mac OS X

As you all know type 3 supports shades and graduated fills. Basically, it uses the whole language of Postscript

The prime and double-prime (U+2032, U+2033 respectively) are supposed to be different from the acute accent (U+00B4), but not a single one of the several hundred expensive fonts I checked out has those two glyphs. I was wondering what other people do when they need primes or double-primes — do you go with one or two acute accents, do you create the glyphs yourself, or what?

I'm new to font creation and have almost finished making a font based on an artists hand writing. The problem I have is when I go to "Quick Test" the font the glyphs appears small while the cursor itself if huge (see pic). This also happens when I generate the font and test in Illustrator. I'm sure it's something simple but I was unable to find where to change this value. I would prefer not to recreate the font from scratch. Thanks in advance. Cheers

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Is there a way to reset the grid size in Fontlab?

Noticed there is a new edition of the manual for venerable font editor Glyphs. Download via

BTW It looks very nice and is clear and concise — a model for software manuals.